About fifty percent of SCA members have at one time been members of KAOS. I remember once Belle said someone in the SCA was saying oh them … we don’t want them, and half the room turned around and went, Them? Isn’t them us?

What tends to happen is people go to KAOS for a while, and then they realise that it’s really boring and they migrate into the SCA. And they stay in the SCA because … well, it’s a little bit more grown up.

KAOS parties are a huge big novelty, and you think wow this is really cool, all these far-out and out-there people. They’re not. They’re a very big bunch of very conservative people trying ever so hard to be on the edge but failing miserably.